[etchells-fleet11] RC "Volunteers" Issue

[Mike Frerker]

Threatening is one option, but not the only one, and probably not the most
productive one.
-Modifying our schedule to that the RC found it more amenable is another. I
think one of the reasons offshore doesn't have an RC problem is that they
have little to nothing in terms of a regular series.  Instead they have a
collection of larger events (NOOD, Verve, Mac, etc.) with associated
parties.  It's easier to get interest.
-Working to get a fleet member installed as RC chair is one.
-Having the fleet provide volunteers (through NUST or whatever means the
fleet wants) is another.

Yes, the RC, and the entire Club is tremendously Mac centric. Changing that
would likely help, but I am not aware of anything that I can do that will
change that.

I agree that NUST sounds like a good possibility.  But I don't know what has
been discussed; with whom; etc.

As for people not doing their duty, I hope that doesn't happen.  Not liking
a rule, and trying to get it changed is fine.  The cornerstone of democracy
even.  Unilaterally deciding that a rule simply doesn't apply to you is
something else entirely.

Mike

On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 8:10 AM, <alumhousten at iit.edu> wrote:

> Mike-
>
> With respect, I think you are approaching this from the wrong angle.  What
> you are essentially asking is, what, as a fleet, our we going to threaten to
> do if they don't concede to our demands.  I think this is a dangerous
> approach, and one where I doubt there would be consensus within the fleet.
>  What we do have consensus on, so far, is that we aren't happy about the
> current situation.
>
> I think what needs to happen is to work toward resolving the situation
> within the system.  There is currently an issue, pointed out correctly, that
> RC disappear after the Mac race.  This really shouldn't be allowed to
> happen.  That is something that everyone in Fleet 11 should be worried about
> and, probably (?) should be engaging flag officers about in person, via
> e-mail or on the phone.  Perhaps the tactic to take is along the lines of
> "This situation with the Race Committee is really affecting my enjoyment of
> the Yacht Club."  From working with him on other things, it also seems that
> Jim Clark, the CYC Manager, is very concerned about issues that affect
> members enjoyment of the club.  I know that he has no direct connection to
> RC but, I know he doesn't like to hear that members are unhappy with the YC
> so i am sure he would at least bring it up with flag, RC, etc.
>
> In the short term, Betsy and Ward have offered a solution, NUST.  If the RC
> doesn't engage them immediately to help cover 'holes' in their schedule,
> then they should be called out for it.
>
>
>
>
> Do we need to schedule a special fleet meeting to discuss this issue?
> These +1's are fun and all, but I don't think the issue was ever that the
> desires of the fleet weren't understood or communicated.
> I think we can
> safely say that nobody likes the program.  Opinions range from accepting to livid.
>
> *What are WE as a fleet prepared to do in response? As near as I can tell,
> nothing; which doesn't put us in such a strong negotiating position.*
>
> The only recommendations I'm hearing are about things we should ask/lobby
> for or things that others should do for us. I don't find that helpful in
> terms of solving a problem.  (And if you're looking for someone to just
> complain louder, you have the wrong FC.)
>
> Jack, in your second bullet you say: "At the minimum, I think we need to
> stand together and refuse to see this program repeated next season."
>
> *Okay. Or what? What are we prepared to do in response if
> RC/Club/Flag/whoever don't agree with us? *
>
> When we can answer that question as a fleet, I think we can get somewhere.
>  But I don't think this initiative will just go away because we don't like
> it. There are legitimate issues with providing RC as we are currently used
> to, or at the very least problems that we aren't in a position to solve.
> (Frankly, I find it hard to believe the system we have has ever worked.)
>
> For now, I'd just ask that everyone do their scheduled duty, and do so in
> good humor.  The situation isn't ideal, but make the best of it.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Justin palm <jpalm1341 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> +3....from 1363
>> On Jul 14, 2009, at 10:16 PM, <gerriw at rcn.com> <gerriw at rcn.com> wrote:
>>
>> > +2... Amen
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